Curse

Abedeus · Jan 24, 2010, 10:45 AM // 10:45

When someone has a "secret" build, he's either stupid or his build is stupid.

Anarion Silverhand · Jan 24, 2010, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

I've honestly got nothing to try and prove to anyone on here, I know what my build does and what an Assassin can and cannot do.

What a feather in your cap. Why was this relevant to the thread again? Showboating springs to mind, seeing as you yourself consider this off-topic. Which again makes me wonder why you posted in the first place. Other than for the sake of ridiculing yourself.

zwei2stein · Jan 24, 2010, 11:26 AM // 11:26

lol @JonnieBoi05, thanks for prefectly illustrating point everyone here makes.

Anyhow, I do not really mind people who do not share builds, /kick gets rid of them easily.

I more of despise people who ping build that is acceptable for party and immediatelly change it to their 'homebrew stupidity' build.

asb · Jan 24, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34

I haven't seen anyone behaving like this in game for a long time, and when it happened, the group leader simply kicked the guy out of the party. I kind of pity those players, they seem to be having not enough self-value.

Usually when Pugging I ask if anyone has any skills they want me to bring, build to play, and if they're requests don't sound entirely incomprehensible I'll happily adapt.

Tenebrae · Jan 24, 2010, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Maybe you should consider reading my entire post and not selectively read (that includes also looking at the entire screenshot). Having said that, I would like to see an Assassin pump out 150+ dmg every second consistantly non-stop with virtually zero cool down. Good luck.

Yeah , only 5 secs at mod and you claim it to be constant. But wait , heres one more ...

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Originally Posted by karunpav

http://img251.imageshack.us/i/gw030m.jpg/

Boom goes the dynamite. Same conditions as you put your bar under (no Strength of Honor, Judge's Insight, Splinter, Barbs, etc). The bar is probably sub-par since I threw it together in ~3 mins, but it does the job well enough.

She hit the flo ? next thing you know , shawty got low low low ....

Ontopic. Most of the times are ppl that are using builds to have fun / are bad and they know it / are made to sync with an specific team set up and are BS without it.

Neky · Jan 24, 2010, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by asb

Usually when Pugging I ask if anyone has any skills they want me to bring, build to play, and if they're requests don't sound entirely incomprehensible I'll happily adapt.

Try that with a guy that shouts "go" every 3 sec...damn.

asb · Jan 24, 2010, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Neky

Try that with a guy that shouts "go" every 3 sec...damn.

yea, most times there`s that guy who is very pressed for time...

syphonus · Jan 24, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Do note in the screenshot listed above I have absolutely no enchantments or anything on me. I pump out insane amounts of dmg when I am in my normal custom 8-man team build (I deal roughly 650 dmg every 4-5 seconds constantly with Srength of Honor + Judges Insight on me and that's not even including in Splinter Weapon's dmg).

Here's my sin.

That's 680 constant damage every 5 seconds with no buffs at all. Please don't pretend to be more knowledgeable about GW than the entire Guru community. Experienced people here like to contribute for mutual benefit, not to brag.

Here's with no elite.
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...2.jpg&newest=1

karunpav · Jan 24, 2010, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Once more. I would like to see an Assassin dish 160+ dmg per second with virtually zero cool-down (for those who can't read- I would like to see an Assassin do 160+ DPS without having to wait for their entire bar to recharge).

Don't hold a double standard. Your build couldn't produce the numbers you're asking for, so why should ours? Regardless, here's the skill bar I used:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...ame=&Go=Submit

So recharge wouldn't be an issue. Which means that, even when BUH is down, I'm still out-damaging your build.

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I've provided my screenshot with zero help from any heroes and/or players with zero support enchantments. I've honestly got nothing to try and prove to anyone on here, I know what my build does and what an Assassin can and cannot do.

I did the exact same thing. And clearly you have something to prove, since you posted the screenshot in the first place to brag, I guess. Clearly you're not aware of what assassins can do, based on my screenshot and that provided by syphonus.

Basically what I'm getting at is, no matter what a person says about their build, there will always be a more common build that outperforms it, regardless of how confident they are. If they don't ping their bar, /kick.

huitzilopoctli · Jan 24, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

But Hundred Blades + Whirlwind attack is good.

If someone refuses to ping their build I generally kick them. If I'm organising a PuG for something then it's something that might require builds that exceed that of henchmen.

When I'm asked to ping I always ping.

Depends largely on your primary. EotN isn't too bad for VQs though, can't think of anything exceptionally difficult. Drakkar Lake and Sacnoth Valley is as bad as it gets I think.
If you're a physical, the solution is simple; lots of damage + physical buffs + Save Yourselves.
If you're a caster, Discord teams will usually do. If you don't like that, then Rits can run SoS Spirit Spam, Necros can run AP-MoP with physicals or Fevered Dreams, Eles can try out stuff like AP-MS or AP+whatever or Ether Renewal, Mesmers can run EVAS-Spam or FD... it goes on. Strong hero builds are important.

I actually had trouble with one of the asura areas. But that was before I discovered Sabway so... maybe understandable.

Anyway my primary is monk, so I'm usually smiting ... but the nerf to ROJ doesn't exactly help me.

I know it'd be fun as some of the other builds but there's really not a lot of great choices that I see as far as AoE with smiting prayers ... Maybe Sabway isn't the greatest for vanquishing though? I don't know...

Xenomortis · Jan 24, 2010, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by huitzilopoctli

Maybe Sabway isn't the greatest for vanquishing though?

No, it isn't.

MasterSasori · Jan 24, 2010, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by huitzilopoctli

I actually had trouble with one of the asura areas. But that was before I discovered Sabway so... maybe understandable.

Anyway my primary is monk, so I'm usually smiting ... but the nerf to ROJ doesn't exactly help me.

I know it'd be fun as some of the other builds but there's really not a lot of great choices that I see as far as AoE with smiting prayers ... Maybe Sabway isn't the greatest for vanquishing though? I don't know...

Smiting monk hero is incredibly powerful in certain areas. They aren't taken as often as the necro heroes but still plentiful.

Sabway isn't the best for vanquishing. It's decent and easy, but far from the fastest.

At OP: If someone tells me that their build is secret, it's probably either bad or the player is vain. It's quite the reliable indicator of maturity level I have found. I've seen this too many times but I usually don't care too much unless the PvE area will not allow extreme carelessness.

If I am leader, I will kick the person though if the class he is is supposed to play a very important role that needs to be fulfilled and we may encounter troubles excessively because of it. You also have to consider that you do have an obligation to set the party up right because the others are counting on your judgment.

jonnieboi05 · Jan 24, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

[epeen]Oh. And let me clarify. I do not use Asura Scan or "By Urals Hammer!" Those, imo, are a waste of precious skill slots (as a Warrior- I deal enough damage as it is with my set-up and 8-man build). Ever heard the saying "anything you can do I can do better?" It was actually a nifty commercial. Anyways...

I was giving the OP an example of how all PuGs are not automatically bad just because they do not ping. You all turned it into an e-peen contest, not me.

@ HighMinion: Actually, it's not a spear build at all. I rather lol @ warriors who don't stick to their own primary weapons. I simply weapon swapped to my spear out of habit from GvG/HA (check closely at the party list and you will see the second profession if not a "P"). TBH I have all Warrior skills so I dunno why I bothered to cover my 2nd prof.

So, exluding this post, how about staying on-topic more like what I have originally done, yeh yeh? Good.[/epeen]

On-topic: Now that that's out of the way... Like what I have already said in this thread: the ultimate decision is up to you if you want to kick them or not. Have fun and go crazy with it.

Anywho, I'm off this thread now. I forgot here on Guru a large portion of the people here lack the maturity to have a real debate or to stay on-topic. Having said that, It's pointless to argue with people over something so mute. :\

Introverted Dimensions · Jan 24, 2010, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Oh. And let me clarify. I do not use Asura Scan or "By Urals Hammer!" Those, imo, are a waste of precious skill slots (as a Warrior- I deal enough damage as it is with my set-up and 8-man build). Ever heard the saying "anything you can do I can do better?" It was actually a nifty commercial. Anyways...

Yeah well with my build I use two skills and I dish out over 300dps a second.

I'm afraid I can't show you guys though, It's a super secret build.

Take my word for it.

Athrun Feya · Jan 24, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

This is why I do not PuG. Ever.

Although, I've had people randomly PM me asking for my build 'cause of my r6 KoaBD title (like it matters?) and I tell them "no can do". My build, only 3 people know it in all of GW. I made the build ~the time EotN came out and I have no intention of ever giving it out.

Do note in the screenshot listed above I have absolutely no enchantments or anything on me. I pump out insane amounts of dmg when I am in my normal custom 8-man team build (I deal roughly 650 dmg every 4-5 seconds constantly with Srength of Honor + Judges Insight on me and that's not even including in Splinter Weapon's dmg).

But, in the end, I will say that most of the time people don't ping their bar because they're bad or PvX'ed it. Meh... Heroes > real people imo.

Either this guy or everyone else is bad. You wouldn't use SoH with a spear.

Anyway, here's my supersuper secret build!! I don't use stances or enchantments at all.

Whereas, in reality...

Upsss. I love this thread... and super runes.

Shadowhaze · Jan 24, 2010, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Rotfl at blocking out the skills, secondary, weapon. That gave me my monster giggle of the day, thank you. XD

PUGs are not always bad, no. But as I said, if there are two rits on the team and they both are running SoS, that defeats the purpose.

Missmelady · Jan 24, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

what about this dmg?

242 dmg a second. Old screenshot that was lols when i saw this thread

syphonus · Jan 24, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Jonnie, It's impossible to have a real debate with you when you are unable to support your own claims. You say that your 106 DPS is constant when your SS is only a few seconds long. That really indicates the opposite.

You then say that Scan is a waste of a skill slot, and that you don't use it. Fine. So you use the slot for utility then? To do what, exactly? How flexible is your build? If you think you can do more with scan, why not post a SS with it? Remember, it's your own job to show how your build is superior.

Thus far a number of people have posted DPS exceeding yours for longer periods of time and without using cons. You then rage and say how you could do more damage if you wanted to use scan or enchantments, and that people refuting your claims are immature. We COULD take you for your word that your secret build is incredible, but right now it sounds a lot more like you are extremely closed-minded.

If you think you can, post a new SS meeting the criteria people have suggested. If you can do more DPS, then do it. Let it run for a few minutes, instead of a few seconds. We won't even ask for your build.

Actually, none of this has been off-topic. You are helping us illustrate our point.

DoomFrost · Jan 25, 2010, 12:12 AM // 00:12

In response to the OP:

No build is secret, if someone is joining your group and won't reveal their build, humor them and proceed with whatever it is your doing (mission area/instance), then watch their casts. Their build won't be so secret anymore once you catch a mere glimpse of the skills they're using.

maxxfury · Jan 25, 2010, 12:31 AM // 00:31

The irony is that if they refuse to show you their bar, and they team with you, you get to see it anyway...and can take an educated guess at their stats.....i presume its often that they dont ping so they can hope to get in without been offered 'advice' and by the time its seen in zone its too late.

If no one knows someones secret builds, aka manages to keep it a secret, then obviously they dont team with anyone but bots, blind people or idiots.. but then bots dont discriminate against blatantly crap bars xD

I usually ping my bar before im ast to when i join a team, so i can a>synergise and b>reskill for bar clashes.

I have been laughed at for some of my bars in the past but hey, playing an ap boon prot or ap dom mes was forwned upon and laughed at, way back in very early factions. Oh how the tables have turned :P